New details about Trump-McCarthy shouting match show Trump refused to call off the rioters
“Kevin, I think these people are more upset with the election,” Trump said, according to lawmakers who were told after the call by McCarthy.
McCarthy insisted that the rioters were Trump’s supporters and told Trump to go begging.
Trump’s remarks dictated what Republican lawmakers familiarize with the call as a shouting match between the two men. A furious McCarthy told the then president that rioters were sneaking into his office through the windows, and asked Trump, “Who do you think is talking to you?” According to a Republican lawmaker familiar with the call.
The new details of the call to CNN by several Republicans detail this, providing important insights into the president’s state of mind as the rioters were overriding the Capitol. The existence of the call and some of its details were first reported by Punchblow News and publicly discussed by McCarthy.
Republican members of Congress said the exchange showed that Trump had no intention of calling the rioters, even lawmakers requesting him to intervene. Many said it was an appreciation of his presidential duty.
A Republican member of Congress said, “He was not a blasphemous observer, he was inherent to him.” “On January 13, Kevin McCarthy stated on the floor of the House that the President has responsibility and he does.”
Speaking to the president from inside the besieged Capitol, McCarthy pressured Trump to call his supporters and engaged in a heated disagreement about involving the crowd. Trump’s remarks about insurance companies emphasizing more about election results than McCarthy were first noted by Rep. Jaime Herrera Beutler earlier this week in a Republican city hall in Washington state, and CNN’s Confirmation Herrera Beutler and other Republicans gave information on the negotiations.
“We should not stand for him, under the flag of any party, for whatever reason,” he said, noting his extreme frustration: “I’m really trying not to say the F-word.”
Harera Beitler went one step further on Friday night, calling others to talk about any other details they knew Trump and Pence could negotiate on January 6.
He said in a statement, “Former presidents who stood as former presidents were having these conversations, or even former vice presidents: if you have something to add here, now is the time . “
Another Republican member of Congress said it was problematic for Trump.
“I think it speaks to the mentality of the former president,” Rep. Anthony Gonzalez, an Ohio Republican who also voted to impeach Trump last month. He said, “He was not sorry to see his unpredictable loyal Vice President or Congress being attacked by that mob. In fact, it seems that he was happy about it or at least enjoying the scenes that Were terrible for most Americans around the country. ”
As senators prepared to determine Trump’s fate, many Republicans thought the description of the call was important to the proceedings because they believe it paints a damaging picture of Trump’s lack of action during the attack is. At least one source who spoke to CNN took detailed information about the repetition of McCarthy’s call.
Trump and McCarthy did not respond to requests for comment.
It took Trump several hours to encourage his supporters to “go home in peace” at the end of the attack – a tweet that came at the insistence of his top aides.
At the trial of Trump’s impeachment on Friday, his lawyers argued that Trump actually tried with a series of tweets to pacify the rioters while the attack unfolded. But his lawyers chose his tweet, noting his supporters’ request to “remain peaceful”, noting that he also attacked then-Vice President Mike Pence and explicitly urged rioters to leave the Capitol looked forward to.
A source close to Pence said Trump’s legal team was not telling the truth at the time Attorney Michael van der Veen said at trial that “at any point” the then president did not know his vice president was in danger.
Asked if van der Veen was lying, the source said, “Yes.” Former Pence allies are still insisting on Trump’s actions on January 6, insisting that he never checked on the Vice President because Pence was jeopardized by his US Secret Service expansion.
It is not clear to what extent these new details were known by the managers of the House Democratic impeachment or whether the team considered calling McCarthy as a witness. Managers have preserved the option of calling witnesses in the ongoing impeachment trial, although this option is unlikely to occur at trial.
The House Republican leader was forthcoming on January 6 and then with his conference about the details of his conversation with Trump.
Trump himself has not publicly claimed any responsibility.
This story has been updated with additional reporting.
CNN’s Jim Acosta and Gloria Borger contributed to this report.